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Both feet flat on the ground?
« on: October 16, 2017, 10:54:32 AM »
So the MTO Motorcycle Handbook says:

Sitting on the seat, you should be able to place your feet flat on the ground.

Does that mean that they can give me a ticket if I can't reach the ground with both feet flat? Or is it just a recommendation? I believe it's NOT on the M2 exit exam checklist as far as the examiners are concerned.

Thank for your input!
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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 12:38:58 PM »
Sitting on the seat, you should be able to place your feet flat on the ground.

Recommendation.

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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 03:01:15 PM »
Recommendation.

is it? Must be my poor English skills - I was under the impression "should" is a synonym of 'must' and 'ought to'.
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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 07:42:21 AM »
That way I read that, relates more to the bike size/rider.
You wouldn't want someone that was 4'2" riding an Africa Twin.

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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 09:11:10 AM »
That way I read that, relates more to the bike size/rider.
You wouldn't want someone that was 4'2" riding an Africa Twin.

Right, but my question is more whether the word 'should' makes this just a recommendation or a mandatory requirement? It makes sense that there should be a correlation between the rider's size and the size of the bike, although cases like the one in the clip attached prove that there are exceptions. By the way, I take my hat off to the guy in this video, I only wish I had the skills like him. And the douchebag who filmed it should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwjpc8I-0kw
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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 09:17:05 AM »
is it? Must be my poor English skills - I was under the impression "should" is a synonym of 'must' and 'ought to'.

"Should" is related to "ought to", but it's not quite a synonym.  "Must" is a synonym for "shall".

Any of the regulations I've been involved with use "will" or "shall".   "Should" or "ought to" is relegated to the conditional.  "Should" only appears in the HTA 15 times...
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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 11:04:30 AM »
"Should" is related to "ought to", but it's not quite a synonym.  "Must" is a synonym for "shall".

Any of the regulations I've been involved with use "will" or "shall".   "Should" or "ought to" is relegated to the conditional.  "Should" only appears in the HTA 15 times...

good to know, thanks!
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Re: Both feet flat on the ground?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2017, 03:13:41 AM »
Right, but my question is more whether the word 'should' makes this just a recommendation or a mandatory requirement? It makes sense that there should be a correlation between the rider's size and the size of the bike, although cases like the one in the clip attached prove that there are exceptions. By the way, I take my hat off to the guy in this video, I only wish I had the skills like him. And the douchebag who filmed it should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwjpc8I-0kw

should, not must.  :occasion14:
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